I don't get it.
I think Pat ought to 'fess up here, because I'm quite sure I've heard him claim this route of recovery.
Man, I do not get it.
Sweet little, adorable little Dan went back out, so I hear. (I can't confirm this, cuz like, I ain't calling nobody.)
And I also hear that no one has seen me for a long while, and what's up with that. Fortunately I have Jeannie to tell all that I am alive and well and she knows this, because we just ate Thai together. And we just ate Thai together, so she really does know this. She won't tell any askers that I am "out there," though she knows I am. But enough about me. Back to Danny. Okay, I don't know any more than what I've already said.
But like, I recently questioned a Tribe recovery buddy about HIS sobriety, or lack of it. ( Truth is, I was hoping that it would be a lack of it.) And he was like, "Oh man, life is so special, why get high when you can see such and such and do such and such when you're clean and this and that and blah blah blah..."
The thing is, he said that, while yes, today, he's sober and stuff, maybe yesterday he was not. And he said he was in and out and in and out.
I just don't get the mood swings. If life is so goddamned great when you're sober, then why were you not sober yesterday? Was life less great then? Maybe it was, and sure, that's a good reason to get high. But if you have a SENSE of how wonderful life is when you're straight, then why doesn't it follow that you would stay that way?
Again, I just don't get the in and out thing.
I'm out, and I don't see getting back in until I'm quite sure that that is the way I must go. What it will take to be so sure...I don't know. I am afraid of that point; I'll admit that. But I am comforted by the fact that I may not ever GET to that point, if I work hard enough. (Funny that this is the only thing I'm willing to work at.)
By the way, have you heard about Amy Winehouse and her nuttiness and her "Rehab" song?
I have, and I was not at ALL interested. What am I gonna hear on that subject that I don't already know. Had to be trite shit. Blech!
So, I heard the song quite by accident on NPR this afternoon.
And ya know what?
I LOVED it! Fabulous, fabulous song. I loved it!
I think Pat ought to 'fess up here, because I'm quite sure I've heard him claim this route of recovery.
Man, I do not get it.
Sweet little, adorable little Dan went back out, so I hear. (I can't confirm this, cuz like, I ain't calling nobody.)
And I also hear that no one has seen me for a long while, and what's up with that. Fortunately I have Jeannie to tell all that I am alive and well and she knows this, because we just ate Thai together. And we just ate Thai together, so she really does know this. She won't tell any askers that I am "out there," though she knows I am. But enough about me. Back to Danny. Okay, I don't know any more than what I've already said.
But like, I recently questioned a Tribe recovery buddy about HIS sobriety, or lack of it. ( Truth is, I was hoping that it would be a lack of it.) And he was like, "Oh man, life is so special, why get high when you can see such and such and do such and such when you're clean and this and that and blah blah blah..."
The thing is, he said that, while yes, today, he's sober and stuff, maybe yesterday he was not. And he said he was in and out and in and out.
I just don't get the mood swings. If life is so goddamned great when you're sober, then why were you not sober yesterday? Was life less great then? Maybe it was, and sure, that's a good reason to get high. But if you have a SENSE of how wonderful life is when you're straight, then why doesn't it follow that you would stay that way?
Again, I just don't get the in and out thing.
I'm out, and I don't see getting back in until I'm quite sure that that is the way I must go. What it will take to be so sure...I don't know. I am afraid of that point; I'll admit that. But I am comforted by the fact that I may not ever GET to that point, if I work hard enough. (Funny that this is the only thing I'm willing to work at.)
By the way, have you heard about Amy Winehouse and her nuttiness and her "Rehab" song?
I have, and I was not at ALL interested. What am I gonna hear on that subject that I don't already know. Had to be trite shit. Blech!
So, I heard the song quite by accident on NPR this afternoon.
And ya know what?
I LOVED it! Fabulous, fabulous song. I loved it!
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 8:02 PMI thought this thread was going to be about sex. If I don't hear something about sex, pronto, there's going to be trouble. -
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 8:10 PMOh, go to hell, Rendall.
We don't care about your needs.
Ya know, I don't masturbate these days. And that's alarming to me.
I wonder why that is. And, I mean, I really do wonder.
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Wed, March 28, 2007 - 11:54 PMwhats the 'rehab song?" sure I could google it but that's alot of work.
i can't claim to know how people's ins & outs work in the sense of addiction. But I do know that that life can suck, sometimes for no reason at all and drinking has nothing to do with it. Just because one may not be medicating themselves on the out days dosn't mean they arn't there. More that it just dosnt come up to get loaded, or to stay that way.
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Thu, March 29, 2007 - 8:08 AM>> I do know that that life can suck, sometimes for no reason at all <<
Word.
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Fri, March 30, 2007 - 11:56 PMI thought it was about burgers. Anybody else hungry? It's only midnight, they're still open. I think I can still drive.
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Sat, March 31, 2007 - 12:32 AMYa know what this fuckin' thread is about, fuckheads?
It's about how from here on, there is a mandated minimum cocaine requirement for coming over here.
You don't meet it. You don't get in. If that makes you feel used, then fuck off to somewhere else. Homie ain't up to that game. New rules. I need more structure in my life. More law.
So there it is. No confusion.
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Sat, March 31, 2007 - 12:37 AMSo, that's a no on the burger, then? Chocolate shake? We can fill yours with half Kahlua. -
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Sun, April 1, 2007 - 7:08 AMdo I have to be on coke or do I have to bring coke for you to be on? -
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Sun, April 1, 2007 - 5:09 PMOh, La La.
Just bring yourSELF, silly!
And some coke.
By the way, Skelaxin is not a "party" drug. Not as far as I can tell, anyway. (For a fast answer to that question, I introduce a few glasses of wine.)
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Sun, April 1, 2007 - 5:56 PMOh, I KNEW I had something to share.
So yesterday, it was like, 2 o'clock in the afternoon. I was in bed, and sleeping, but it's not as if I'd been there all day long. In fact, I hadn't been there long enough, and I wisely decided that a couple of hours of sleep would do me good before I went over to my Dad's for dinner. So there I was, sleeping, which hadn't, initially, come very easily, but there I was, in SOME sort of dream state.
And then I heard a "Susan!"
And then I heard myself call out, from the bed, "Yes?"'
Thank Heavens that the caller didn't hear me!
Because in an instant, I recognized the voice!
It was Terry! My 3 week boyfriend from last June!
I shut the fuck up real quick and hid in the bathroom.
Some minutes later I looked out my window and saw him getting into a truck with an unknown male.
Here's the thing. I live in this ancient apartment building in the center of town. There's no buzzer downstairs. I don't know if there EVER was. And the downstairs entrance door closes, but very often, doesn't SHUT! No one complains about this, because there's no crime in Media, (except when I hit the streets, ha ha) and because there's no other way to have any folks come in. I guess that's why no one complains. Or maybe it's inertia. That's my reason.
But that's not cool. He was right outside my door. And like, if he had opened it, I would have been there. In bed! Looking right at 'im from my bedroom! At 2 o'clock in the afternoon! Not, not cool!
So, he left a note. And it read," S. Where the hell have you been?" Not signed. Anonymous. Alcoholically so.
I wanted to be angry. I was definitely indignant. But here's what's stopped me. I don't know if my apartment door was locked. Usually it is. But the other night, I might have left it unlocked. And had Terry tried the door, I would have been SO exposed. (Dishes in the sink. Porn on the computer. Empty plate on the coffee table with half a plastic pen on top of it.) Maybe it was locked; I don't recall hearing him try the door. So, my point is...he invaded, yes, but he could have done worse. I don't think he tried the door, mostly I think this because he didn't come in. Thank fuckin' God.
He means well. I am very happy for his sobriety, which I believe he still retains. Which is why he would make such a house call.
But Terry, more than anyone, should understand that, while you can lead a horse to water, you can't make it stop drinking until it is good and ready to stop drinking.
What'd it take YOU? A late night visit to Swiss Farms (right across from the police station!!) to nick a pack of cigarettes? Hey, that'd get me!
Until then, concentrate on something else!
Remember the intervention on your behalf at my apartment? Remember that I had nothing to do with it, nor did I in ANY way approve of it? Well, remember that. And remember how much good that liitle groupthink did ya. And don't you come around no more. If I need your help, I'll fuckin' call.
And if you're reading this, and if you are, you need to stop, RIGHT now, you do not have permission, then know that, I'm sorry to sound so callous, and I know you're trying to do right now, but I am not appreciating it.
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Mon, April 2, 2007 - 8:04 AMdon't get the police involved. for your sake.
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Wed, April 4, 2007 - 1:41 PM>I think Pat ought to 'fess up here, because I'm quite sure I've heard him claim this route of recovery. <
I s'pose you mean me? (Or mebbe I've missed a Pat from the AAdventures?)
'Fess up to what? An in and out method of recovery? I thought I had? Plus, I wouldn't necessarily call myself recovered. Plus, the ins and outs of my crap would require my own little vanity tribe, which I most pointedly do not have. Nor want. Nor does anyone else.
It's like I said, I only pop my head up to get whack-a-moled because I care. Though, to borrow your horse analogy, beating a dead one becomes tiresome.
I identify with your romancing of death. If it wasn't for God Himself (egads, how very unPC), I'd've been dead a loooooong time ago. And even committing to life hasn't exactly kept me on the straight and narrow. I know how hard sobriety is and how fucking senseless it can seem. And I only say the stuff I say to you publicly because if I said it in a pm it'd a) seem even creepier, and b) just get reposted publicly anyway.
The other day I was listening to a mix CD and Chan's "Baby Doll" came on. Hadn't heard it in a longish while. The lyrics put me in mind of you. I know you must know them, but what the hell?
"Baby
Black, black, black is all you see
Don't you want to be free?
Baby
Red, red fire is what you breathe
Don't you want to be clean?
Honey, the shape you're in
Is worth every dime you spent
Baby Doll
Turn out the lights
Set yourself on fire
Say goodnight
Did you have a real cool time?
Baby
Black, black, black is all you see
Don't you want to be free?"
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Wed, April 4, 2007 - 4:33 PM>> And I only say the stuff I say to you publicly because if I said it in a pm it'd ... b) just get reposted publicly anyway.<<
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He used 'publicly' twice in one sentance, and over in the 'Tribe Drinking Game' tribe, that means you have to chug a mojito. -
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Fri, April 6, 2007 - 3:21 PMoh. that sounds almost as bad as being burned by the meth pipe. -
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Fri, April 6, 2007 - 4:04 PMI hate when I get so cracked out I drop my pipe and all the rock goes flying. Then I have to wrest it from the tiny lubo-men who come out of the shadows. -
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Sun, April 8, 2007 - 9:20 PMYa know, I am not a liar, and I am not a thief. That's the truth.
Not even tempted by your extensive expensive watch collection. Or your ex-wife's jewelry. Or her Manolo Blahnik (sp?) shoes, even though we wear the same size, and she would so OBviously not miss them. The tens or twenties of 'em that were so casually left behind. That shit is safe with me.
But if you think I'm not gonna sniff out the Vicodin, the Lorezapam, the Ambien, The Clonezapam, and whatever the hell those magenta pills are, then you are either stupid or indifferent. I'd like to think the latter.
I've amassed quite a pharmocopia over here. And the thing is, I do not see what I've done as stealing. I could understand the argument in favor of that interpretation, but I'll never buy it. To me, it's just, plain and simply, survival. Well done!
And of course, the joke is, as usual, on me. No matter how much I've come away with, it will never be enough. Because I should have taken more Vicodin. It was just that they were all big and there weren't all that many of them and I guess I felt kinda funny about being so brazen. And well, I should have taken about five or six. But I only took two. And since that's too few, I might as well take the second one right now and forget about the whole thing.
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Sun, April 8, 2007 - 9:33 PMOh, and before all this recent nonsense, I spent a couple of days by myself, up in this joint, and so I am very clearly okay and like balanced and shit.
www.sivananda.org/ranch/dai...edule.html
It was sort of a rehab on the cheap. Didn't take, that's apparent, but the thing is, it COULD, down the line. At least I know how to get there now. You just head up to the "Jewish Alps," and then ask around. -
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Mon, April 9, 2007 - 6:04 PMHari Rama Hari Rama
Rama Rama Hari Hari
Hari Krishna Hari Krishna
Krishna Krishna Hari Hari
A lot o' THAT shit!
I didn't smoke. (okay, a couple of nicotine chicklets. And I mean a couple= two) I didn't drink. And I certainly did no drugs. (Not until Thursday, when I hit New Jersey.)
Nor was there ANY garlic or onion eating. I mean, you don't even drink ANYthing with your vegan meals up in that joint.
Thing is, I can be clean.
But if I have to sit in an ashram for the rest of my life in order to be clean, well, I'm just not so sure I'm up to that. Don't get me wrong. It was a nice place to visit, but you know how the rest of that goes.
Thanks for asking, Mia:)
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Mon, April 9, 2007 - 6:11 PMOr wait, were you being sarcastic?
I mean, I linked to the schedule, so what the hell else would I have done up there?
That was not a voluntary schedule, by the way. The bell rings you up at 5:30, and you better be chanting by six. They don't fuck around there. Well, truth is, I slept in until 7:30!! on the first day. I was afraid I might get tossed down a Catskill for that, but the management was very understanding. Although, lemme tell ya, I didn't try that shit the next morning. -
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 4:25 PMC'mon dude. This is a place where you're not allowed to have ONIONS, for Christ's sake. I mean, like, they expressly forbid you from bringing them into the compound.
And you think they're gonna serve coffee? They did not. But of course, neither did Betty Ford. Although, she DID let us eat chocolate.
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 5:02 PMSo I was talking to my buddy last night. She knows all. Because she's in Denver.
And she was like, "Have you been to any AA meetings?"
Now, what do you think?
AA allows for anybody and everybody. The only requirement for membership is the "desire to stop drinking." So what business could I possibly have there?
And then she was like, "Have you been seeing your Addictions Therapist?"
I mean, I guess that's a valid question, if you're trying to be a concerned friend and all that.
But why on Earth would I be seeing an Addictions Therapist at this point? I am not seeking correction, only validation. And I hardly think Karen will provide me with the latter. So what would I see her for? I mean, WHY would I see her? So I could get back on "track?" I don't want to be on track. I'm done with that track. I am done with that track.
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 5:21 PMOh, and since I'm rambling away, and have so obviously been drinking, I have to bitch a bit again.
Don't say to me, "Well, I hope it's not just about the drugs."
Cuz you know what? It is NOT just about the drugs. It is not. It is not.
It's just a lot about the drugs.
And I don't mask the fact that I spent an ENTIRE summer at Betty Fuckin' Ford. Who DOES that? Someone who DOESN"T care about the drugs? C'mon now, let's not be naive. I say I'm fine, and I say it's all good, but c'mon, don't be naive. And don't make me pretend to be blase about something that is very clearly important to me. Let's keep it real. And the most polite way to do that is to refrain from making that accusatory observation, "I hope it's not just about the drugs." For the love of God, spare me that drivel.
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Wed, April 11, 2007 - 6:11 PMTruman Capote drank so much his brain shrank. When the doctor told him he only had a few months to live he said "Oblivion wouldn't be so bad." -
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:24 PMhe said "Oblivion wouldn't be so bad."
I can say this with authority.
It ain't.
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:22 PMOh, Mia! You!
Are much too generous.
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:33 PMAs everyone knows by now, I rarely return a phone call. At this point, I rarely receive one. And, kinda sadly, that is how I like it. In any given week, I might get like four of them. That's not a lot of phone calls. And I still can't return them! Worse, I can't even listen to the voice mail! But I've learned to text. I can text. That's not a gigantic ordeal for me. But listen to my messages? No way.
However, when I feel I have audience, I get the strength to call my voice mail. I think to myself, "Maybe there's something in there that I can write on. THAT would make it worth the listen." So basically, what I am saying, loyal listeners...is that you give me the strength to check my messages. I'm a do it RIGHT now. There are at least three. One is from Jeff. I'm sure he's simply calling to say, "Hey, thinking of you and hope you're okay." So what's my big deal? Damnit! I'm gonna hear my mail.
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:39 PMOkay, now I see that I have FOUR voice mails.
But again, that's like in a week's time, so I'm hardly crying about the pressures of my popularity.What I might cry about is the fact that as soon as I saw the "four!" I began to feel an anxiety attack coming on. How that is possible when I have already consumed one and a half Xanies is beyond my understanding. Well, maybe it's NOT beyond my understanding, and that is what is so disturbing.
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 4:50 PMJeff: "Give me a call back when you get a chance."
Oh, that was too terribly traumatic to hear, wasn't it, Suzen?
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Fri, April 13, 2007 - 5:11 PMOh my God, it's Friday night, and could my posts be MORE boring?
They could not. So, okay, lemme hit you with another picture that I think is sorta sexy. I'll put it in the gallery. Please say yes! My self-esteem is very low right now! But let me have another drink, and then I'll become my usual arrogant, smart-assed self.
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Sat, April 14, 2007 - 9:13 PMYes, it IS funny. I'm looking at it now.
I was at Ikea today and I was dying to buy some wine glasses on the cheap but I was with my bestest friend- we go back to the 10th grade- and she does not know that I'm drinking.
But I have to wonder if she is suspicious. Because, typically, when we're walking the streets of Philadelphia, I openly obsess about every liquor store and stupid bar we pass, and she makes fun of this, and I make fun of this, and we have a good laugh about that. But I no longer do this. At all. Topic dropped.
But, perhaps, she just thinks I've moved on. Yeah, right. Funny that, though she's my lifelong buddy, she is privvy to so much less than you people are. That's not some great gift I'm bestowing, but it is the truth.
Tonight we were at the Philly Film Festival, and I was thinking to myself, " Am I so agitated because I haven't taken my Xanax with the bottle of red wine chaser, or are Mongolian films just too damned glacially-paced for my Western sensibilities? I'm pretty sure it's the latter. -
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Oh yeah I think I saw that one. It was a horror film.
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 2:41 AMi'd go with a shot glass. think how many drinks you could get out of one bottle.
good for you checking your messages! thats one i'm almost with you on.
so did you have a 'bad message' experience as a youth? is there something horrible looming on the horizon? johnny law track'n you down?
really he more you make a big deal about it the bigger deal it will become. okay worst case senarios; somebodys dead/dying/your fired/everybody KNOWS/somebodys worried about you/ they're remaking Blue Lagoon....listen or not its all still happening and your going to find all this out anyway. Plus chances are nobodys dead and it's only a machine trying to get you to refinance your house.
I'm just saying this might be the acknowledge semi-irrational fear to just suck up and get over. i'm not suggesting you answer the phone or call these people back or deal with the issues their calls represent. Just hit the stupid button, let people ramble on while you half listen & grade some papers so you can clear the blinker back to 0 and have one less thing gnawing at you.
You like being informed and knowledge is power; you don't want a bunch of folks out there one up on the information ladder than you are.
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and yes about the Mongols.
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